Thursday, February 28, 2008
Ronald Wieck's 911 skeptic show~starring Arthur Scheuerman
Well here it is folks, right out here in front of God and everybody. These nerds from the JREF blog have been very busy on the innertubes, even setting up web sites like the ones of Mark Roberts. Ronald Wieck claims that he can find no one from the Truth Movement (his term) that "has the stones" to accept an interview on his show. What a laugh. He probably doesn't have enough paper to send copies to all of the Architects, Engineers, Scientists, Generals in the military, Ex CIA men, etc. etc. I think the trick here is....you have to first be invited to accept...G:
They also showed up on Susie-Q's blog on the post Who is Arthur Scheuerman? Pomaroo & Gravy (the nerds in the video) in spite of their smug condemnation of what they call troofers and their proclamation that they can't get one to accept their invitation are indeed interviewing someone from Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice, who is a member and holds a Fire Science Technology AAS Degree.
Pop up some popcorn, pull up a chair, enjoy the show
Open your mind, let down your hair, get in the know
9/11 Physics: "You Can't Use Common Sense"
They say everything changed on 9/11, and they sure weren't whistling Dixie! We all learned something about physics we would never have guessed.
Here is an early reference paper (pdf file) written originally on 9/13/01 called...
Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse ? - Simple Analysis
By Zdenek P. Bazant1, Fellow ASCE, and Yong Zhou2
Abstract: This paper3 presents a simplified approximate analysis of the overall collapse of the towers of World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001. The analysis shows that if prolonged heating caused the majority of columns of a single floor to lose their load carrying capacity, the whole tower was doomed. The structural resistance is found to be an order of magnitude less than necessary for survival, even though the most optimistic simplifying assumptions are introduced.
This was used as reference in Arthur Scheuermans...
The Towers, Fire- Induced Collapse and the Building Codes Summary;
The Towers, Fire- Induced Collapse and the Building Codes Summary;
A preliminary interpretation of the evidence in the analysis of the cause of the large loss of life and collapse of the World Trade Center Towers & and recommended code changes to mitigate the chance of a recurrence, in high-rise office buildings.
July 17, 2003 Draft #13
By: Arthur Scheuerman, Battalion Chief FDNY (Ret.), Former Instructor Nassau County Fire
Training Academy and high-rise Fire Safety Director NYC.
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One of the things that they are trying to debunk is Larry Silverstein's "Pull it" quote'
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I don't know where Mark Roberts is coming from, but he is saying that people on the ground didn't confer with anyone else. However what Silverstein says he was doing on the video was confering with the people on the ground...G:?
Memory-induced brain damage like Abu Gonzo contracted during the lawyer firing circus G:?
ReplyDeleteThose guys can pull this!
Yep, it could be worse Dad, these nerds are supposed to be intellectuals. If they are really a part of intelligent life, it seems to me, their talents are being wasted.
ReplyDeleteIf the truth is what they seek, then it is only logical that they would promote an open and independent investigation...G:
Some of the glaring conflicts between Pomaroos video show and Arthur Scheuermans article of Dec. 8, 2006
ReplyDeleteThe Collapse of Building 7 by Arthur Scheuerman December 8, ‘06
from the video
Pomaroo: Do you think this was a safe building.
Arthur says "No" blah blah blaw yada yadayadayada
from Arthur's article
Because of the damage to the building and the failure of the water
supply, after talking to the owner, the Fire Department decided to evacuate the
building and not to attempt to control the fires but to let them burn out. Since it
was a “fire resistive” building, there would have been every expectation that the
fires would burn out without any local or global collapse. However, given that the
towers had collapsed and that there had been a serious interior collapse of
Building 5, there was concern, and the collapse area around the building was
cleared.
from the video
Mark Robertson: “people on the ground didn’t confer with anyone else”.
from Arthur's article
after talking to the owner, the Fire Department decided to evacuate the
building and not to attempt to control the fires but to let them burn out. Since it
was a “fire resistive” building, there would have been every expectation that the
fires would burn out without any local or global collapse.
from the video
Pomaroo: "Now Arthur it sounds to me like this is an extraordinary feat by the fire department to avoid
any more loss of life on this terrible day".
Arthur says "Yeh, absolutely, especially when you abandon a building and there is an uncontrolled fire, there is a possibility of collapse no matter what kind of building it is uh if the fire is bad enough
from Arthur's article
Because of the damage to the building and the failure of the water
supply, after talking to the owner, the Fire Department decided to evacuate the
building and not to attempt to control the fires but to let them burn out. Since it
was a “fire resistive” building, there would have been every expectation that the
fires would burn out without any local or global collapse.
Ron Wieck did try to find a truther to debate on the Hardfire show. It wasn’t for lack of trying. Nobody for 'truth' took up the challenge.
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http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3388575#post3388575
Keep in mind that Hardfire is a public access program with no budget for travel or accommodations for show guests. When Jim Fetzer debated Mark Roberts, members of the JREF forum actually took up a collection to pay Fetzer's airfare.
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She had so many children
She didn't know what to do
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ReplyDeleteThe Collapse of Building 7 by Arthur Scheuerman December 8, 06
ReplyDeleteThere has been a new, and I might add weird, developement since Pomaroo did his "Ronald Wieck's 911 skeptic show~starring Arthur Scheuerman". The document that I was refering to has somehow been cloned into a completely different version of the original.
RE: March 1, 2008
jref forums .... arthur
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3483044
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Originally Posted by pomeroo View Post
Arthur e-mailed me a 13-page paper on WTC 7 (2.78 MB). I'd like to make it available to the regulars on this forum, but I don't know how to do it. Any suggestions?
I created a site to host it, available here.
ETA: I corrected two small typos while converting it to html, but it is otherwise unchanged from the Word document.
The Collapse of Building 7
By Arthur Scheuerman
FDNY Battalion Chief, Retired
Posted February 29, 2008
If you compare these two articles that are the same name with the same author, but with a now current date?,
ReplyDeleteyou will find that about 1/2 of the first paragraph was deleted, and that is the tip of the iceberg.
RE:
"Since it
was a “fire resistive” building, there would have been every expectation that the
fires would burn out without any local or global collapse. However, given that the
towers had collapsed and that there had been a serious interior collapse of
Building 5, there was concern, and the collapse area around the building was
cleared. The building suffered global collapse from fire after several hours of
uncontrolled burning. There were no known injuries or fatalities in the collapse."
from the video
ReplyDeletePomaroo: "Now Arthur it sounds to me like this is an extraordinary feat by the fire department to avoid
any more loss of life on this terrible day".
Arthur says "Yeh, absolutely, especially when you abandon a building and there is an uncontrolled fire, there is a possibility of collapse no matter what kind of building it is uh if the fire is bad enough
From the re-written artical by? Arthur Scheuerman
The anticipation of collapse was a brilliant conclusion and no lives were lost when the 47 story building collapsed about an hour and a half after the evacuation order was given. The BBC somehow misheard the orders to evacuate the collapse zone and reported the building had collapsed well before it actually did.
Hmmmm.......Now compare these to the deleted part of the first artical which is on the previoous comment above...G:
And here's Walter on JREF
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